Freshman Congresspersons's SAVE Act: A Winner

It will be interesting to see which Congress persons still choose to continue the farce of pretending Homeland Security is important, while completely ignoring the ports and borders.

In the mean time, violence is spreading across the border in Laredo, Texas (see this video; after short ad). The Sheriff of Laredo says the drug cartel hitmen have us outgunned.

Yet, if you bring up crime, fences, border security, or anything anti-illegal immigration, you are called a racist and/or a xenophobe.

The politicians that are pitting American citizens and illegal aliens against each other for votes and/or profits from cheap labor are despicable, and should be voted out of office.

And I still can't figure out where Hillary Clinton stands on Drivers' licenses in New York for illegal aliens. Why can't she stop waffling and say that's exactly what she wants. After all, almost all of her votes (along with these other, uuhhhmmm . . . Congress persons if that's what you want to call them) have consistently supported amnesty and benefits for illegal aliens.

How can anyone vote for a politician that clearly refuses to support one of the federal government's most basic and fundamental duties: Homeland Security and Law Enforcement of existing laws? And a federal judge (Judge Charles Breyer) is trying to block enforcement of laws to restrict illegal employment. And Eliot Spitzer and Hillary Clinton want to give illegal aliens Drivers' Licenses? Why? Most citizens of New York are opposed to it, but that does not matter to Eliot Spitzer and Hillary Clinton.

While most illegal aliens commit no crimes (aside from being here illegally), crime by illegal aliens is high. The estimates range from 3.6 to 25 homicides per day. Even the lowest estimate is higher than the norm. On top of that, tax payers are not profiting from it. Greedy employers of illegal aliens are making the profits. And fining Walmart $11 million for doing it is a pittance to the largest corporation in the world.

See what Walmart did (first published by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch , July 16, 2006) that led to their $11 million settlement to avoid charges that it employed illegal immigrants.

Who was it that told us about that huge sucking sound from NAFTA?
Free trade is one thing, but we are getting sold out daily for profits and votes, and it has been going on for quite a while (for 30+ years).
Consider this law firm, Cohen and Grigsby, that trains companies on how NOT to hire qualified American workers.
The American voters are the largest group (200 million eligible voters), but they won't vote to change it.

It's a paradox:

• Voters give Do-Nothing Congress dismally low 11%-to-18% approval ratings,


• But Congress still enjoys a 96.5% re-election rate since year 1980.

The save act
Sounds like your in a different world than I am in. All I see is that our scum bucket elected officials refuse to listen to what the majority of Americans want. I am not interested in the self help groups you are speaking of. I am interested in closing the borders. Enforcing the laws already on the books and protecting my country and fellow man.
My concerns evolve around conspiracy along with know traitors and those who have committed treason against America all of who fill a room with air. engauge in constant debates that never lead anywhere. I am for ousting all of the self centered bastards in Washington.
No amnesty of any kind! That's what Americans want! Fine the companies who hire illegal immigrants.
They are breaking our laws we did not ask them here they need to leave now! They do not have a right to our education system , to our housing or to our medical facilities. As a matter of fact if you're here illegal you have no rights.
Trying to sell a sham like the save act lines up with the foreign power that is currently in control of our government.
We don't track the thousands that cross our borders dailey let alone the 30 million or more that are already here.
Politicians spend most of their time trying to deceive the public or haven't you noticed?
Its should not be a negoicated bill but a Bill that represents the the people and what we want! What you are talking about is the same old ploy and that is it may not be exactly what you want but its a start. No!

jim wrote: The save act: Sounds like your in a different world than I am in. All I see is that our scum bucket elected officials refuse to listen to what the majority of Americans want.

Ousting corrupt politicians ain't likely to happen as long as most voters repeatedly reward irresponsible, corrupt politicians with 95% to 99% re-election rates (96.5% on average since 1980).

jim wrote: I am not interested in the self help groups you are speaking of. I am interested in closing the borders. Enforcing the laws already on the books and protecting my country and fellow man.

Education and spreading the message is part of the solution. Without that, things will only get worse (as they already have been for 30+ years). Repeatedly rewarding politicians with re-election simply programs and conditions them to grow more more corrupt and irresponsible.

jim wrote: My concerns evolve around conspiracy along with know traitors and those who have committed treason against America all of who fill a room with air. engauge in constant debates that never lead anywhere. I am for ousting all of the self centered bastards in Washington.

And so are we. Education and spreading the word is part of the solution. Not enough voters understand that Congress enjoys a cu$hy, coveted 96.5% seat-retention rate (on average) since year 1980. Voters need to understand that voting for the person that spends the most money (usually the incumbent) is not working. Government won't become responsible and accountable until the voters become responsible and accountable too.

jim wrote: No amnesty of any kind! That's what Americans want!

If there is any path to citizenship (or amnesty) of ANY kind, it should ONLY be for the truly innocent, which would be adults that are no longer dependent on their parents or whoever brought them here as minors, and have spent N years in the U.S. I would consider that ONLY for the truly innocent; otherwise we will have gridlock and the situtation will grow worse.

jim wrote: Fine the companies who hire illegal immigrants.

Absolutely. And include jail sentences too! Prison terms are needed. And fines should be a percentage, since an $11 Million dollar fine for Walmart (have you seen this?) is a pittance. Start out with:

• 1st offense: a fine equal to 5% of corporations annual profits (or person's annual income).
• 2nd offense, jail for 1 year , plus a fine of 10% of of corporations annual profits (or person's annual income).
• 3rd offense, jail for 2 years, plus a fine of 15% of of corporations annual profits (or person's annual income).
• 4th offense, jail for 3 years, plus a fine of 20% of of corporations annual profits (or person's annual income).
• 5th offense, jail for 4 years, plus a fine of 25% of of corporations annual profits (or person's annual income), etc., (i.e. increase jail term and fine by 1 year and 5% (respectively) per conviction).

It should be a crime, since it is actually a form of theft. It causes many tax burdens (not to mention crime) to the tax payers (e.g. annual net losses of over $70 Billion).

jim wrote: They are breaking our laws we did not ask them here they need to leave now! They do not have a right to our education system , to our housing or to our medical facilities.

That's true. But we should not demonize the illegal aliens. What is truly despicable is our politicians (which we perpetually reward with re-election) that chooose to pit American citizens and illegal aliens against each other. Thus, the majority of voters are culpable too for repeated rewarding irresponsible politicians with re-election rates of 95% to 99%.

jim wrote: As a matter of fact if you're here illegal you have no rights.

They have human rights. Remember that our politicians allowed this problem to grow out of control, and most voters rewarded those politicians with perpetual re-election rates of 95% to 99%. If you want real results, stop rewarding irresponsible incumbent politicians with re-election. And ask your friends, family, associates, and collegues to do the same.

jim wrote: Trying to sell a sham like the save act lines up with the foreign power that is currently in control of our government.

The Save Act (in its original language) is about enforcement and border security FIRST. That's a good thing. Most illegal aliens will self-deport. Then we try to start the difficult process of trying to sort out who may be truly innocent. That would be persons that have been here N years, were brought here illegal as children, and are no longer dependent on who brought them here illegally. That would not include children brought here illegally by illegal aliens, and are still dependent on those that brought them here illegally.

jim wrote: We don't track the thousands that cross our borders dailey let alone the 30 million or more that are already here.

That's why we need internal law enforcement and secure borders FIRST.

jim wrote: Politicians spend most of their time trying to deceive the public or haven't you noticed?

Yes. And most of those voters then do a very strange thing: They repeatedly reward those politicians with re-election rates of 95% to 99%. The voters are culpable too.

jim wrote: Its should not be a negoicated bill but a Bill that represents the the people and what we want! What you are talking about is the same old ploy and that is it may not be exactly what you want but its a start. No!

The Save Act (in its original language) is about enforcement and border security FIRST. That's a good thing. I did not see anything about amnesty in the H.R. 4088 Save Act BILL. You should support the BILL (in its original language).

Here's a good article on it: http://www.eckernet.com/2007/11/save_act_analysis.html

The SAVE Act is one of the most important pieces of legislation put forward this year. If you'd like some enforcement to slow the invasion of our country, this is a start. This bill is not perfect by any means, but it's a decent start. Something we really need.

If you want to slow the invasion, contact your Representative and request that he or she vote for the SAVE Act. This is important.

Dan,

I suspect the reason Clinton is still waffling is because she is currently trying to project herself as a moderate Democrat. How that is at all believable is beyond me, but that is the representations of her that I've been hearing? Her record doesn't support that claim, but... When it comes to political advertisements and stump speeches, truth rarely holds any weight. After all, how many voters actually do the research to discern fact from fiction?

I am encouraged to see so many newly-elected representatives standing together to serve their nation and their constituents. Perhaps the legislation won't go through -- but it's a start that gives us something to put on the pressure for support.